EPW023547 ENGLAND (1928) [Unlocated]. UNLOCATED
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| Pennawd | [EPW023547] UNLOCATED |
| Cyfeirnod | EPW023547 |
| Dyddiad | September-1928 |
| Dolen | |
| Enw lle | |
| Plwyf | |
| Ardal | |
| Gwlad | ENGLAND |
| Dwyreiniad / Gogleddiad | 0, 0 |
| Hydred / Lledred | -7.556448482059, 49.766185796754 |
| Cyfeirnod Grid Cenedlaethol | SV000000 |
Pinnau
 Brook House |
 Mike Holder |
Wednesday 3rd of June 2020 12:28:00 PM |
| Athill Court |
Mike Holder |
Wednesday 3rd of June 2020 12:26:29 PM |
| Hello Mike Holder well done I am sure you are right EPW057195 confirms it, 10 years later from a different angle houses have appeared but the sport field is the same. |
Max |
Wednesday 3rd of June 2020 09:06:06 AM |
The original info came from the chap who identified the aircraft G-EBOB as belonging to the Berkshire Aviation Tours Ltd. I used the British Newspaper Archive to find the reports covering flying displays for that period, and then locate the fields they used. They very rarely used aerodromes - it was cheaper to use a farmers field. I looked at Spen Lane very early on but discarded it because the roads were running N/S and I thought they were running E/W on the photo. When I realised that these shows went on well into the evening I re-orientated the layout and when I looked at the 1910 OS 6" map, the field pattern was instantly recognizable. On Google Earth I could see the sports pitches, the building in the cemetery with its unique tower and the pavilion plus house on the sports field. If it wasn't for lockdown - I'm 75 - I don't think I would have found the time to do it. |
Mike Holder |
Thursday 4th of June 2020 12:47:50 PM |
I too followed the Berkshire Aviation clue but alas did not find the articles you found. There was a 'Harrogate' ref and when I found an article in the Flight magazine archives for a location but it did not fit. A wider search and I found the Thorp Arch site which whilst very close in appearance was a red herring, a good lesson in how easy it is to be mis-lead. |
Max |
Thursday 4th of June 2020 01:06:14 PM |
Max - this site: https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/ has been invaluable in tracing the location of flying sites for the "Flying Circus" era - 1920s and 1930s - especially the Alan Cobham tours of Britain. Unfortunately you have to pay - but I found it was worth every penny. You start reading articles not specifically related to your search and end up being side tracked. I am currently looking at EPW040988 and EPW041085. The parachutist is probably from an Alan Cobham visit; he visited 29 sites that month. |
Mike Holder |
Thursday 4th of June 2020 02:31:37 PM |
Thanks for that link Mike will have a look at the two pics you mention. |
Max |
Thursday 4th of June 2020 05:02:33 PM |
Mike, the answer is likely in here http://www.afleetingpeace.org/index.php/14-business-and-pleasure/158-cobham-s-air-circus-1933-at-a-glance for both of those pictures but a lot of trawling to do. |
Max |
Thursday 4th of June 2020 05:59:00 PM |
Mike Holder |
Tuesday 2nd of June 2020 11:25:34 PM | |
 House, pavilion to the right and hut to the left are still there, visible on Google Earth. |
Mike Holder |
Tuesday 2nd of June 2020 06:54:23 PM |
| Lawns Wood Cemetery |
Mike Holder |
Tuesday 2nd of June 2020 06:44:59 PM |
| Otley Road |
Mike Holder |
Tuesday 2nd of June 2020 06:43:48 PM |
| Spen Lane |
Mike Holder |
Tuesday 2nd of June 2020 06:43:14 PM |
| This is Berkshire Aviation Tours Ltd. visit to Spen Lane, West Park, Leeds, 30 August to 12 September 1928. Passenger Flights from 5 Shillings each, Admission 6 pence – Children 3 pence. I had looked at Spen Lane before based on research using old newspaper articles. What threw me was the orientation of the shadows – I thought the photo was taken around noon which would put the roads running E/W, but these shows used to go on until late in the evening, last show on a Sunday was 1930. So the photo was taken in the late afternoon looking North Easterly with the sun to the west casting easterly shadows. The field pattern between Spen Lane and the Otley Road to the east is easily recognisable on the OS Six Inch 1888—1913 series maps.. The playing fields are marked to the east of the Otley Road on the later OS maps as are the Pavilion, the house to the left and the hut a little further left – see OS 1:10,560 1949-69 series. The woods to the left of the pavilion has the Lawns Wood Cemetery – the Chapels are just visible. The actual field they are using is centred on 53 50 27”N 001 36 14”W. |
Mike Holder |
Tuesday 2nd of June 2020 06:40:25 PM |
 Attached a GE image approximately from the same angle as EPW023547. Above Thorp Arch looking NE. |
Max |
Tuesday 3rd of September 2019 03:30:02 PM |
 Possible location for epw023547 is just east of Thorp Arch on the Wetherby - Tadcaster railway line. Today that area is a football academy, farmland, a prison and an industrial estate. Prior to that a very large munitions factory was built there in WW2 so there were huge changes made to the area on the east side of the line. Cannot spot the large houses so maybe they were demolished ? |
Max |
Wednesday 21st of February 2018 06:30:33 PM |
| Possible church tower. This looks like a big Estate from an odd angle.... |
Horsegunner |
Saturday 4th of May 2013 10:47:21 AM |
| Possible spire - chapel in the woods |
Horsegunner |
Saturday 4th of May 2013 10:45:40 AM |
| Is this light patch a body of water like a lake or even the sea? |
Rebecca |
Thursday 10th of January 2013 01:45:22 PM |
Hi Rebecca, I think it's most likely open ground behind those trees, possibly even parkland assosicated with the house back there. Yours, Katy Britain from Above Cataloguing Team Leader |
 Katy Whitaker |
Thursday 7th of March 2013 01:12:31 PM |
| The sportsfield has Rugby, cricket and football pitches, plus the grandstand, so maybe school grounds |
TomRobin |
Monday 12th of November 2012 11:01:07 PM |
| Shadow from windsock directly in line with image, sun quite high so presume looking North |
TomRobin |
Monday 12th of November 2012 10:57:33 PM |
Hi TomRobin, I would agree this is looking north-ish. Unfortunately I still haven't seen any other images that look at all like this place. Yours, Katy Britain from Above Cataloguing Team Leader |
Katy Whitaker |
Thursday 7th of March 2013 01:11:30 PM |
| Railway or Canal (looks too straight to be natural) ? |
BigglesH |
Friday 13th of July 2012 04:39:55 PM |
It could even be a road! |
 Class31 |
Monday 6th of October 2014 12:29:20 PM |
| Why would they build what looks like a temporary screen when the action would be up in the air? Maybe to just block the view of the planes on the ground? If you want to see them on the ground you have to pay and get in through the gate? |
SteveAUS |
Tuesday 3rd of July 2012 06:50:00 AM |
| Wind sock |
SteveAUS |
Tuesday 3rd of July 2012 06:48:21 AM |
| C18th house? |
EastMarple1 |
Saturday 30th of June 2012 12:41:50 PM |
| Large light coloured house. |
EastMarple1 |
Saturday 30th of June 2012 12:40:30 PM |
| Grandstand! |
EastMarple1 |
Saturday 30th of June 2012 12:39:29 PM |
| Sports ground |
EastMarple1 |
Saturday 30th of June 2012 12:38:23 PM |
| G-EBOB an Avro 504K Reg: FJV Holmes (Berkshire Aviation Tours Ltd)
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EZTD |
Wednesday 27th of June 2012 05:03:55 PM |
Good spot - this clue led to the identification of the Spen Lane site used by Berkshire Aviation Tours Ltd. |
Mike Holder |
Tuesday 2nd of June 2020 10:59:20 PM |
Thanks for the clue - it led to me to finding the flying site via a newspaper article. |
Mike Holder |
Thursday 4th of June 2020 12:50:49 PM |
Cyfraniadau Grŵp
 In this picture you are looking across the railway line to the east of where I think the above photo was taken. (This is the Vinten factory being built in Western Way). It was taken in 1964 but doesn't that long-thin building look like the one on the right of the older photo? Though I am a little worried by the old-looking building to its left which is not there in the older shot. Could it be that the farm had two such long buildings? |
JayGee |
Thursday 18th of February 2016 03:04:26 PM |
Sorry to be a smart-alec, but... If you enlarge this photo and print it out, under a magnifying glass you can see that the "long low building" is not a building. It is the stripped topsoil or roadbase for what became Oakes Road, Bury St. Edmunds. There are also piles of the chalk which has been dug out (perhaps for drain trenches) which give the illusion of a series of doorways in a building. The old barn standing to the left belonged to Northgate Farm, which was sold off for housing and the land became the Howard Estate. I'm afraid that this all points towards the original photo, at the top of this thread, not being located in Bury St. Edmunds. |
Paul H |
Thursday 18th of February 2016 03:04:26 PM |
I've had another look at west of Bury St. Edmunds and the field boundaries are all wrong comparing the photo with Ordnance Survey maps of the period. This one will run and run. |
Class31 |
Thursday 19th of November 2015 01:53:28 PM |
I am certain that this is not Bury St. Edmunds/Westley Airfield. I spent my first 24 years on the Westley Estate - the housing estate built on the site of the aerodrome, so I remember the area from the early '60s onwards. Although the route of the road and railway line in the photo is very similar to the west side of Bury, the field patterns do not correspond. The aerodrome ran up almost to the point where the road crosses the railway line; in this photo, that meeting point is much too far from the edge of the landing field. The bungalow, grandstand and sports field showing in the photo on the far side of the railway line have never existed at Bury. Bury St. Edmunds Golf Club was formed in 1924, with the clubhouse located in what would be the centre of this photo, and the fairways extending out onto the far side of the railway (where they still are today). No Golf Club showing in the photo. This area was, at the time, outside the Town Boundary, and there were bungalows, shacks and even some permanently-sited railway carriages on the north side of Newmarket Road (no Planning Permission required!). None of that shows in the photo. Sorry, I don't know where the photo is, but I'm sure that you can cross Bury St. Edmunds off the list of possibilities. |
Paul H |
Thursday 19th of November 2015 01:53:28 PM |
I would agree that the location is probably the western edge of Bury St Edmunds. The converging Newmarket Road and railway fit the photo. I've used Google Earth with it's 1945 images to compare. |
Landy |
Sunday 5th of October 2014 08:55:53 PM |
working from the original labelling as "harrogate" could this be Stockeld Park. the screening put up is to screen the view of the planes from the road, and the very straight line in the mid distance could be a railway so this may be in the grounds of stockeld park, Spofforth, N Yorks, with the harrogate road into spofforth alongside and the now closed wetherby/harrogate railway in the distance and then crimple beck in the trees beyond. BUT i do not know of any playing fields ever exisiting between the railway and the beck however |
nearenough |
Friday 1st of November 2013 03:23:51 PM |
Good suggestion nearenough, but unfortunately I can't make it fit; mostly because of field boundaries and tree cover. I've been scooting up and down the railway lines around Harrogate but to no avail... Yours, Katy Britain from Above Cataloguing Team Leader |
Katy Whitaker |
Friday 1st of November 2013 03:23:51 PM |
There are at least 4 rugby fields as well as the football field in view. |
Horsegunner |
Saturday 4th of May 2013 10:51:20 AM |
Dear all, This one really is a puzzler. I see exactly where you are going with the Westley suggestion, JayGee, but unfortunately I can't quite make it work. Whilst the road-railway line alignment is good, I can't make the field boundaries fit either side of the road. And by the time this photo was taken in 1928, some houses had been built on the north side of the road which should show in the image if it was Westley. Dave43 - the date is good for this image. Although Alan Cobham's "Flying Circus" is well-known, there were other, smaller, companies doing similar things in the 1920s and local aero clubs also arranging shows and trips. Perhaps this image shows one of these? The original Aerofilms Ltd Register entry says "Harrogate". Does anyone have an alternative suggestion? Yours, Katy Britain from Above Cataloguing Team Leader |
Katy Whitaker |
Wednesday 24th of October 2012 09:58:09 AM |
I think this could be the field that became Westley Airfield in the 1930s; a flying club and municipal airfield for Bury St. Edmunds. The converging road (Newmarket Road) and railway fit the photo. The hedgeline that crosses the road rings a bell from old maps I've seen. That would make the buildings in the centre beyond the railway the golf club. I don't know what the long building on the right is but I've seen a photo of that area in the 1960s and I'm pretty sure there was a building like that. I can't explain the big light coloured building top left - that would be the village of Risby. |
JayGee |
Tuesday 11th of September 2012 09:24:32 PM |
There appears to be a rugby pitch with a stand and to the right is the football pitch. The long building could be changing facilities for these two. The plane is about where the Army had married quarters after WW2. Certainly it is the west exit from Bury St Edmunds |
Faubourg |
Tuesday 4th of September 2012 06:19:15 PM |
I dunno about 1928, how accurate are these dates? but Sir alan Cobham arranged his "Flying Circus" called "National Aviation Days" (to popularise flying) from April to October from 1932 to 1936 visiting 170 towns and villages and giving 12,050 displays, so quite an organisation. His book "A Time To Fly" apparently lists the places he visited. |
dave43 |
Tuesday 11th of September 2012 09:24:32 PM |
I'm not very good at this and I'm not sure anyone reads these but could it be Hawthorn Hill near Bray and Bracknell Berks? I remeber the Grandstand was still there in the 60's but unused since 1939 |
dave43 |
Tuesday 7th of August 2012 10:26:50 PM |
Can you use Google Maps, switch to Satellite mode and verify whether the Grandstand is still there please (sorry, I don't know the area) ? |
BigglesH |
Thursday 19th of July 2012 04:35:22 AM |
No it's a golf course now, all traces more or less gone |
dave43 |
Thursday 19th of July 2012 10:11:30 PM |
The picture is 1928 and Hawthorn Hill was in full swing and that is not the stand (of which I have a number of pictures)It is unlikely to be a racecourse at all, I believe. |
Willocolt |
Tuesday 7th of August 2012 10:26:50 PM |
Shadows indicate sun high in sky and photo taken from south / south-east. |
BigglesH |
Friday 13th of July 2012 04:22:37 PM |
For benefit of non-flyers, looks like G-EBOB about to start take-off run (into wind). |
BigglesH |
Friday 13th of July 2012 04:14:53 PM |
I'm fairly sure this is a Flying Circus. They toured the country giving flying displays. (Alan) Cobham's Flying Circus was one such outfit, although this photo is too early for it to be him. |
Tiny Tim |
Saturday 30th of June 2012 06:03:32 PM |